more on what happen in NTI. Obtained from Sg forum

Source: http://mlmg.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=107666&page=0

Let's compile what rubbish has NTIparis has done.

If anyone have any points about NTIparis please post it up here for all the victims to see, because everytime we only say it is a pyramid, they are bulls.h.i.t.s, etc, but never say why.

Start with me first, NTIparis likes to con gullible, innocent, young and people who failed in business. They also like to brainwash their agents by keep telling and repeating what Desmond and Jacky had achieved, however they have hidden many fact within. They like to say NTIparis is a business, but actually it is even worst than a proper job. For a job as long as you are working, you will get the deserved pay. In this NTIparis, even you are doing something or many things, you will not neccessary get any pay or your deserved pay. My friends everyday without fails goes to work... and what did they get? Hearing same and the same nonsense, wasting the more and even more time, effort. Is this worth?

***NTIparis had keep discrete does not mean it does not exist, this huge problem had been ignored does not mean it had been solve.***

From a victim:
I pay $35 for the register fees , $288 *4 =$1152

after some weeks later i cant find people to join under me , they started to ask me to invest 3 more account that will be $864 , i didnt invest in it . i havent earns money , yet ask me to invest so much .

At the time , i have a feeling that , they just want to con my money , say that he is helping his what upup line fighting for car funds and credit card .. what a craps.. From what i know , the top guys over that cant earns much . how can a top guys there drive only a japanese car which cost less than 80k ??? How can i success in NTI Question Question Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

And their so call credit card is just only a debit card . i just call it muti purpose debit card . i check out with the bank , the bank just call it a normal membership card with some debit point in it ..
i as well apply a ocbc or posb debit cards better .

To all the BRM and the best acting male RSD in NTI .u know who u r ? pls wake up yr ideal can earns that much , dont act like u earns that much i feel sad for u .

From another comment giver:
To the people who feel cheated: Firstly, you don't understand the concept fully, that's why you feel cheated. You CAN earn money from NTIParis, it's only when you're unable to get anyone to join, you don't earn anything. That's why you feel cheated.

If NTIParis is really a scam, it would have been deemed illegal and would have been shut down already.
*from me: but if we get more of our friends to join, then we will also be dragging them down into the mud. As it's the registration fees that are going around in the company.*

From a guy who have a clear mind:
Anyway, for those who wants to know more abt ntiparis, I could only tell you as much, so could G.H.O.S.T (hullo!) or other guys. The rest is up to you to decide whether ntiparis is worth doing.

When I was first approached by my friend, he lead me to the old office on ground floor, sat down and start pounding away by writing the marketing plan on three pieces of paper.I noted the following,

1. He wrote out the first plan, which states how much you can first earn by recruitment. Everyone pays $288, you put them under you or your downline "Business centre" binary system style, therefore earning certain amount for each set of number of people you have balanced under you. I was shocked, and ask him immediately if there are products involved.He told me yes, products are included.

2. He then wrote a second plan, which involves how much you earn by sales. This plan you all can see on their website. His reasoning was that they move recruitment first, then later sales. Sounds like a good MLM company which wanted to correct faults of other failed companies? Here are the anomalies I found out

Quote from DSA US on disguised pyramid.
'If the startup cost is substantial, be careful! The start-up fee in multilevel companies is generally small (usually for a sales kit sold at or below company cost). These companies want to make it easy and inexpensive for you to start selling. Pyramid schemes, on the other hand, make nearly all of their profit on signing up new recruits. Therefore, the cost to become a distributor is usually high. CAUTION: PYRAMIDS OFTEN DISGUISE ENTRY FEES AS PART OF THE PRICE CHARGED FOR REQUIRED PURCHASES OF TRAINING, COMPUTER SERVICES, PRODUCT INVENTORY, etc. These purchases may not even be expensive or "required," but there will be considerable pressure to "take full advantage of the opportunity.";

To look like a multilevel marketing company, a pyramid scheme takes on a line of products and claims to be in the business of selling them to consumers. However, little or no effort is made to actually market the products. Instead, money is made in typical pyramid fashion, from recruiting. New distributors are pushed to purchase large and costly amounts of inventory when they sign up

For example, you might have to purchase $1,000 of nearly worthless products in order to become a "distributor."; The person who recruited you receives $500 (a fifty percent commission) and $500 goes to the top (the company, in this case). Notice the similarity to the simple pyramid scheme

a. I have been to many legal companies, either under DSAS or MNCs. No distributor has ever earn from their downline at the first instance, which is by earning a commission by recruitment, and from the large amount of monies a new guy puts in. Most companies registration fees goes toward processing of membership only. Plus they are usually small, like two figure sum only.

b. My friend told me products are included within the entry fees, while other distributor I know told me the products are free with the entry fees. Sounds like normal MLM companies with sales products? No. MLM companies profits derived largely from revenue of sales of products. Experienced MLMers will tell you that the companies would have need its distributors to have confidence with the products to enable a sales force. But now you are absorbing products without knowing whether its good. If its part of entry fee, the company is telling you to absorb products without questions. And since by right start up fees should be small, is large amount of the $288 goes towards the products which you have no knowledge of?

If the products are free, then isn’t the recruitment plan pyramid-like?
Guys, if you present this plan in front of CAD officers, good luck! Just for this portion, they could charge you with participating in pyramid. Look at S888.com, where people earns by recruitment commissions.

c. The first plan was never shown on their website. I wonder why? Unlike other companies, some or all of the agents go around presenting their binary plan of pieces of paper, proclaiming binary to be the best plan around, and always emphasising on business and recruitment. Whereas other companies would have already some form of printed media to show people their marketing plan.. So that it wasnt easy for people to catch them for evidence since they can throw the paper away? I was never shown the products nor asked to buy. This is why G.H.O.S.T says they were very focused on recruitment. Very.

Quote again
Are the company's products sold to consumers?
IF THE ANSWER IS NO (OR NOT MANY), STAY AWAY! This is a key element. Multilevel marketing (like other methods of retailing) depends on selling to consumers and establishing a market. This requires quality products, competitively priced. Pyramid schemes, on the other hand, are not concerned with sales to end users of the product. Profits are made on volume sales to new recruits, who buy the products, not because they are useful or attractively priced, but because they must buy them to participate. Inventory purchases should never be more than you can realistically expect to sell or use yourself

d. The second plan shown how much you earn by sales. Initially, I thought after they finish building their network (recruitment) they would focus on sales. This is where a lot of strange things happen.
One of my friends has been working for quite some time, and is always recruiting people. He has never ask me to buy, and staunchly refuse to sell after other people approach him. Timandra and I have discussed this. She was puzzled as to why their agents could be even refuse to sell. Another contact told me another story, where they are two groups of people. Either you are recruiting all the time, or you are selling. ???

e. Where do the products go? Every month the agents pump in $50 to purchase products for 'own consumption' or resales. Two things:
the company is telling you to pump in $50 or get out of the company. If you have large network under you, if everyone pump in $50, you can earn quite a lot. Second, why the hell you need to make the effort to resell those products if you just need to pump in $50 to earn those hundred or thousands of dollars under you? Just keep them at home lah. In the end you absorbing products and accumulating them at home. This is known as maintenance requirement for membership and to earn the money from the network under you.

Quote again
Most disguised pyramids, however, are not this easy to unmask. Pyramid schemes often choose products which are cheap to produce but which have no established market value, such as new miracle products, exotic cures, etc. This makes it difficult to tell whether there is a real consumer market for the products

f. So far, are the products good? I open the topic to the floor. I was never asked to buy even though I have contacts in ntiparis. I checked up the website, hardly any info on products. They even have a statement on how nowadays health product is important in light of SARS. Aromatheraphy to cure SARS?

Plus if you examine the products, they are a) exotic b) unknown brand and unchecked source of products c) sometimes I wonder where the hell are the sales kits of these products I asked my friend for d) aromatheraphy are not largely for the mass consumer market, only select people who has the money to spend


I have covered the recruitment style and sales? of the products of the company. Watch out for more feature I have found to be fishy in this company

From a passerby:
woah! very specific entry indeed Lawrence82, thanks for those info. well, now my friend seems like brainwashed by those ppl there and was encouraging me to take a look and listen to the talks at their company *without joining them, just listen* but as what I've read in this forum if I were to join them to listen I might get hooked by them no matter how. So I bet this company will collapse anytime... I did visit the website it seems like a "fake" web site though, recognition is not stated, products seems so "cheap" and how could they sell with that high price... what a company...

From someone who knows about the situation:
I, Liling, the author of this blog, myself, support the knowledge.


hope dat it may be of some use to u:
(extract from nti agent)

Rules of making an appointment :

1. use the phone (make calls lar...sounds familiar?telephone operator aka the starhub salesman!!wahahaha)

2. K.I.S.S(keep it short and simple--dun disclose too much,keep it SECRETIVE)

3. 2 choose 1 ( let ya victim choose between 2 days. i.e he will be forced subconsiously to make a choice and promise u to meet u o either of 2 days)

4. Confirm of place,time (be firm,professional)

5.Inform upline for presentation ( so that your CONCERNED manager will be ever-ready n appear and boasts to u how much he has earned. *i wonder nti has a script for them n do they practise in front of the mirror? *

6.Resons of Failure:
-leak of content ( tell u to be secretive wad...we not supposed to tell them we gonna kidnap their $ u still say!! )

-desperate implore ( please la....meet me le....we go for coffee lar...really...i treat u to the best satay dere ok? although we live in e west. we still meet in the central ok? )

-using mealtimes as an excuse (we are going to have lunch ONLY, since when the company popped out as our final destination? )

-invitation of too many people ( aka "san ge chou bi jiang ding ge zhuge liang" because negative influence is highly contagious.Hence Dr Nti suggests that we will attend to one patient at one time such that they will receive the Prince Charles/Princess Diana treatment)


When i was there, the manager brought me for a tour, with people greetings " Mr XXXXX" (kinda impressed) , later showed me a biz plan of how will my life change with and without NTI.And then...showed me his account of "earnings" n the cctv(wow~~ FBI ah?) , however i still smiled n continued to act blur.Actually all along, i just sounded interested thats all, because i just wanna observe how people lie through their n how. i am just curious thats all and all the people are SO friendly to u, and even volunteered to take care of u and such...AM I IN HEAVEN?? (yes,but only for now my dear) In fact , i barely knew the person, that is only 1 day/24 hrs, n for the people there ,needless to say, u do the maths. For a person u barely know, they treat u like a goddess/jesus.IRONIC isnt it?

ANOTHER DIMENSION, lets say u r going to Ernst n Young for an interview.Will the people there smile at u n greet u like a VIP?will they show u their humble cctv? will they show u their accounts of earnings?or even show u around the company,telling u wad are their latest technology n et cetera, yup,unless u r mr lee kuan yew or VIP.

ZIP back to NTI : Personally,whether is a pyramid system or binary or wadever u call it, the Bottomline is u r a CHEAT. Now the plan is, you give me $$(say 288 x 4) which will cr8 4 accounts for u to recruit people. { Y 4 accounts? so that u can "cheat" different groups of people aka human discrimination } .Alrighty, u r given the licence of NTI to "extort" money from the innocence/potential prey. u ll first tell them u r recruiting but not selling.however,they will be paying all the money for the 10cents worth product.For every 288 u pay,product worth is say,50 bucks? the remaining ll go to the pockets of ur ever respected DOCTOR j.phang.In addition, those products are TOTALLY WORTHLESS.288 for that skincare?might as well buy christian dior or consult dermatologist. Whose product will u trust? unknown costmetics frm paris or Harvard School of Medicine?i shall not elaborate on others, m sure u guys know it all. the money from mlm is that, sell that worthless product at a outrageous price n dats where ya cash inflow bursts.Basically is just "inviting" more people to "donate" money n buy worthless products n hence the vicious cycle continues.minus the maintainencen puny% of money u earned frm every deal? how many people haf actually earned back?time n effort to earned back wad they haf "donated" ? isnt it absurd? if u haf 4 frens who wanna invest ,might as well rent a shop n chicken rice or chap chai perng,isnt dere a higher chance of earning it back faster? for those in mlm, how many people dare to admit in front of people the know they r in this line?i m not in this biz,of cos i dun noe as much as them,they knew much beta,so much more.However, deep inside them,m sure conscious must be pricking them some time of a day or maybe they were consumed by greed.

If NTI is so fantastic, y aint the agent family members involved? you fu tong xiang rite? frenship? till den...most people will still treasure their kinship no matter wad. which means...if is really good, they will invite their family to the stay in the money tree making machine. In addition, they can extend their target out to people who can readily afford it, for instance...YOUR university professor, jc lecturers n etc ( of cos we r talking abt the more ethical/prof ppl )

However, if our god of singapore, SM Mr Lee Kuan Yew ,promotes NTI..means GOOD! JOIN!!! wahahaahha

+++IMPORTANT+++
all above are just my 2 cents worth of information, i never meant to harm anyone or create a conflict. i shall not hold responsibility for any information similar to mine . thanks!!!!

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Who are the ones in NTIparis making money?
Needless to say, of course are those who sit at the top of the pyramid head.

This incorrigible coy is have some new s h i t plan, which will make james phuang become richer and the below poorer! They are increasing the amount to join this stupid coy, and decreasing the payout. You will feel wtf.

None of those members are real, all is hyporcite, if you have any friends from NTIparis, end it. Not only they will cheat you, they will also be a liability for you! Every month they will have to give maintainence without earning a single cant(kinda idiotic or something), and that period they have to be so stingy and poor that you cannot bear with it. Maybe for a couple of months or so is okay, but listen up, it will be long term!

NTIparis can no longer be trusted or make money, because those pyramid heads is nailed onto their seats to cheat kids, they will never give up their seats so don't dreams to become on of those unethical scum ass! Their membership fee is increasing, as well as maintainence, however their personality is decreasing. They like to cheat on themselves, think alot, but not work alot. Idling in the coy like some rich kids, but they can't even feed on themselve.

You wont see anyone defending for NTIparis here, never, because NTIparis have disgrace the entire MLM companies. Furthermore, they are so shameless that they don't regard sgforums.com as a matter, they say they love to be condemn and never condemn people, this is a fact. They have no evidence to defend themselves.

TO ALL NTIparis MEMBERS:
Entering this coy will never have good endings, trust me

Wow this coy is coming up with new plans...

And this new plan sure benefits those jerks on the top...

Account and maintainence fee have tremendously increased!!! It makes having a account in NTIparis simply a liabilty instead of asset. Really, not worth it.

People are getting more and more intolerant with the nonsenses NTIparis does, major decline of people joining this coy, therefore they increase the maintainence to make sure they are able to continue paying the instalment of their BMW.

Stupid and selfless thinking will lead to end of NTIparis... Cheers!

sorry, they are not driving BMW. the only car they driving is a MIT Lancer. so, the money actually goes to their JAMES PHANG. everyone in the company is simpy just a pawn in a chess game.

Basically, you can ask her small questions like: how much you earn already ar? Those people above you who likes to talk earn alot already ar? Ai, look at the those people at the top, is they earning alot of money? They join one so long already leh, only earn such money nia ar? Huh? Only one person can afford a car ar, and is second hand some more wor? Aiya, even next time you earn big bucks, won't you feel guilty meh? Taking money from people who are poor and are looking for a decent job, still human anot sia?

Try to do something like this everyday, keep telling her negative thoughts, but i expect her uplines will physco her even stronger, do not let her go company everyday if possible.

Go read other forums about NTIparis and use those evidence to convinced her... Good Luck!

***NTIparis never provide a earning opportunites for others, they will only dig you deeper.***